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 ======= general concerns ====== ======= general concerns ======
  
-The most common arguments against privacy and the use of good crypto are often called the "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse|Four Horsemen of the infocaypse]]" +The most common arguments against privacy and the use of good crypto are often called the "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse|Four Horsemen of the infocalypse]]" They are not rational arguments, rather they play on the fears that people have.
-Because the are not rational arguments but playing with the fear of people.+
  
 =====Nothing to hide ===== =====Nothing to hide =====
->**logical fallacies**: good people have nothing to fear, I don't need privacy,only bad people hide things,I don't need to encrypt \\+**logical fallacies**: 
 +> good people have nothing to fear 
 +> I don't need privacy 
 +> only bad people hide things 
 +> I don't need to encrypt \\
  
 ====Argumentations==== ====Argumentations====
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 **Accusation**: privacy and crypto enable child abuse \\  **Accusation**: privacy and crypto enable child abuse \\ 
 **logical fallacy**: surveillance stops child abuse \\  **logical fallacy**: surveillance stops child abuse \\ 
-**truth**: police needs tools like Tor to find people that spread images of child abuse.+**truth**: abuse of children or other people is a psychological result of the abuser having been disempowered; surveillance and the irrational belief that policing can prevent abuse are further causes of disempowerment; they contribute to turning people into abusers.
  
 ==== crime in general ==== ==== crime in general ====
-Accusation: privacy,  and crypto enable crimes +**Accusation**: privacy,  and crypto enable crimes 
-logical fallacy: surveillance stops crimes and helps to find criminals, if we just had enough surveillance there would be no crime+**logical fallacies**: 
 +>surveillance stops crimes and helps to find criminals 
 +> if we just had enough surveillance there would be no crime
  
 ====== files,facts and data ===== ====== files,facts and data =====
 +==== resources ====
 declaration of human rights declaration of human rights
 constitions: of europe, America constitions: of europe, America
  
-please add links to material like studies that show that data-retention is useless, the cost of surveillance, examples of innocent beeing spyed on ect. +please add links to material like studies that show that data-retention is useless, the cost of surveillance, examples of innocent beeing spyed on etc. 
 +  * [[http://wiki.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/%C3%9Cbersetzung/English/Pros_and_cons|arguments against dataretention]] 
 +===== victims of surveillance ===== 
 +   *  Scientist Andrej Holm from Germany- "Crime" used the wrong words in his Publications - put in jail for three months and put under 24/7 surveillance for years [[http://www.theguardian.com/education/2007/aug/21/highereducation.uk1|more]] 
 +   * James Robinson - "Crime": Wrong Name - big problems traveling [[http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/08/19/tsa.watch.list/|more]] 
 +   *Justin Carter - "Crime": bad joke on facebook - put in jail in isolation [[http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/07/03/198129617/teen-jailed-for-facebook-comment-reportedly-beat-up-behind-bars|more]] 
 +   * Leigh Van Bryan - "Crime": Joking - detaimend 
 +   * Johannes Schneiderhäuser - "Crime": owning a guitar - police harassment , kicked out of the USA[[http://www.vice.com/read/i-was-given-a-full-body-search-by-american-border-guards|more]] 
 +   * Abdulrahman al-Awlaki- "Crime": unkown- killed by dronestrike  [[http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/opinion/the-drone-that-killed-my-grandson.html?_r=0|more]]
 ======= dirty tricks ====== ======= dirty tricks ======
 Be prepared for dirty tricks by the dark side of the force. Lying, logical fallacies and propaganda are common tools of opponents of humanrights Be prepared for dirty tricks by the dark side of the force. Lying, logical fallacies and propaganda are common tools of opponents of humanrights